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list price hi everyone and welcome back

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to that UFO podcast this Tuesday April

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18th at 10 Eastern 9 pm Central The

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Secret of Stan Walker Ranch makes its

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return to the History Channel now going

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into its fourth season Ranch owner

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Brandon Frugal and the team are back to

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continue their investigations to unravel

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the mysteries of the ranch I've been

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fortunate to speak to Brandon himself

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Thomas Winterton Bryant Arnold AKA

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dragon and Travis Taylor all on the

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podcast and finally I'd like to welcome

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my guest today another of the crew from

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Skinwalker Ranch he is the chief

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scientist and principal investigator on

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the ranch I should also mention a highly

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accomplished physicist Mr Eric Bard Eric

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welcome to the podcast

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hi Andy I'm glad we could uh connect I

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don't take it for granted that we'll be

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able to do that out here at the ranch so

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it's a pleasure yeah I was just saying

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before I hit record that I was surprised

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when the camera came on and the

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background was all the screens I'm just

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doing stuff which is a pretty cool

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little moment so if you're listening to

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this on audio you uh Eric is currently

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in the command center at the ranch yeah

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yes I am I'm in the control room the

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control room one you'll be fairly

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familiar with if you've watched the

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Skinwalker Ranch series uh I am in the

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shed where it's just a black background

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so if you're watching on YouTube hi

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you've got the you've got the scenic uh

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part of this as well Eric listen let's

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get down to it um a lot of questions to

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ask you and not a lot of time I want to

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find out first how did you first get

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involved with Skinwalker Rancher and

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Brandon Frugal well you know those are

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two separate questions really so I met

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Brandon probably oh goodness it was uh

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2011. uh we worked together on uh

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another project also of a somewhat

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speculative nature and uh through my

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work with Brandon I think you know he

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immediately realized what a what a

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straight shooter I tend to be when it

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comes to speculative subject matter and

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so you know that was a that was a very

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interesting project we brought it to a

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close uh some years later Brandon made

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me aware that he was considering the

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purchase of this property this very

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strange in from this Skinwalker Ranch

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and I remember the first message that I

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received from him was something of a of

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a proposition an Indecent Proposal if

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you will he was he said hey you know I'm

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looking at purchasing this this

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remarkable property how would you like

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to go out there and and live it could be

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your kingdom and I said uh tell me a

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little more about it and after after he

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filled me in on on what this place was

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all about I said you first

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hahaha

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no that's

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that's it is that it you literally got

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the offer and you up sticks and you

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moved to the ranch essentially yeah uh

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no not at all in fact it's kind of funny

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because ah you know I I remember I

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received probably a half a dozen

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invitations to come visit the property

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after the after the purchase uh went

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through and

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um you know I I took a pass on it I

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thought to myself this is probably not

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for me

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um interesting yes but uh I just didn't

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feel that it was um it was something

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that I wanted to engage with initially

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um I remember at at one point a few

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months after he he made the purchase I

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was invited into a meeting with uh some

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of the people formerly engaged in the

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research and so of course I was curious

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to meet with those individuals some of

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whom I had known from previous work and

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um that's when I became a bit more

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intrigued as uh as some of the high

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level uh summary material was shared

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with me I thought yes this would be this

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would probably be uh interesting to

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explore at least superficially so uh you

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know my first visit to the ranch uh was

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in October of 2016. I believe that was

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October the 14th

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did you know much about the ranch you

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mentioned you were hesitant to accept

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that first offer and it took a few kind

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of a bit of persuading and Brandon's a

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very persuasive guy I'm sure I've spoke

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to him a couple of times

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did you know much about the ranch before

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you went out

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you know it's interesting the first time

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I heard the term Skinwalker goodness

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that would have been in

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1993 and honestly it just didn't it

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didn't make any sense to me but for some

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reason the uh I should I should explain

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the the the concept of the skinwalker

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was shared with me by someone of Native

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American descent someone of Navajo

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descent in fact and he he described to

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me this this

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um entity if you will uh and and he

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pronounced the the uh the Navajo word

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which I will not attempt to

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um replicate here for fear of

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embarrassing myself

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um but that word stuck in my mind uh in

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in 93 and I and and for whatever reason

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you know it came back to me now and

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again and over the years

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um you know the subject itself of

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Skinwalker Ranch was not known to me uh

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I think I heard something about it maybe

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in 2012 or 2013 it sounded very

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far-fetched it sounded as if you had

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basically a mashup of every paranormal

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theme and meme convergent upon one one

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property which of course seems really

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improbable

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um and so I put it out of my mind again

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and it did not come back into Focus

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until Brandon's uh initial Overture

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um so

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um really no front loading uh to be

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honest or minimal front loading in terms

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of what I make of that concept of a

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skinwalker or of any of the attendant

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phenomenology

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so you've gone in with a pretty open

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mind not too much of an expectation

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hitting all sorts of stories that people

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might be familiar with or or not what

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exactly is your role on the ranch

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you know um the role has been evolving

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since the very beginning uh after my

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initial visit which I should mention was

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a very eventful visit much to my

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surprise when when I came on site I

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think it was a contingent of 11

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individuals and uh quite frankly some

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things took place that I did not expect

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uh at all

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um and that left me with quite an

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impression I volunteered uh very

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tentatively to uh take a look at any

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data uh anything that might be shared uh

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through channels uh and uh really it was

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not a formal engagement it was an

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engagement between friends you know I'm

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a I consider myself a close associate if

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not a friend Brandon and so I said let

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me take a look at what you've got and so

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I began uh in my free time analyzing uh

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for example photographs and other things

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that were shared uh beginning in the in

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the 2016 time frame and I should mention

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uh there was no payload of data from the

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previous investigations a lot of people

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probably have the understanding that

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that you know the nid's ambassadora

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investigations uh probably produced uh

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quite a bit of data and that we might

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have inherited that and I should make

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very clear that we did not

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uh and and I suppose there are pluses

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and minuses to this because we again are

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not front loaded uh but at the same time

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we're we're we're starting from

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essentially uh dead center we're

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starting from zero so as the material

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was shared with me and I began looking

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at at uh photographic evidence and other

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things I didn't quite know what to make

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of it

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I began

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reviewing surveillance footage again

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informally engaged there was really no

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expectation that this would go any

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further than sharing a few side notes

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but then it just continued to evolve to

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evolve we we've been led by the data

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beginning with very austere Beginnings

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uh

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you know just a minimal surveillance

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presence minimal electronic footprint

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and it has just continued to to progress

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and as unusual things have come forward

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in the data we've decided to deploy

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additional resources and spend

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additional time

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I wonder going back to those early days

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if someone could have slept to the

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nedson mass data knowing what you know

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now would would you take a look at that

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file in the data or do you think it's

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been a good thing like you say to to

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kind of start from scratch and put your

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own stamping Authority on it well you

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know I I went into the initial meeting

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that I described to you earlier with

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some expectations that I would probably

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see this this payload of really uh

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interesting data pertaining to all the

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things I mean look uh the context here

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is obviously one that includes uh that

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topic of interest to you UFOs uaps uh

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but also uh things to which we refer by

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names like orbs and portals and you know

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interdimensional phenomena and so of

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course I was I was as curious as anyone

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would be and certainly as a physicist I

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was curious to see what they had had

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found

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um I was actually quite surprised that

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what we received were only the highest

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level uh summaries

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there were no video records for example

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shared there were no

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um data files and so to your question I

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think at that time I would have

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voraciously consumed any data that would

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have been shared with me looking back on

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it I I

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have mixed feelings you know I've said

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publicly that that Curiosity alone on my

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part is not entitlement to to answers

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nevertheless now that I've got more than

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skin in the game here I would really

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like to know uh exactly what uh was seen

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what was measured perhaps and I still

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hold out hope that at some point in the

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future we might be able to compare notes

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with with those uh previously involved

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I think for the UFO topic that's a

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fascinating statement that curiosity is

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not entitlement for answers because I

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think that's that would apply to many

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and I think that can come across for all

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of us sometimes that there's an

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entitlement that we should know what's

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going on and that's a whole hotbed of

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debate on its own isn't it

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um sorry to interrupt but I'll jump in

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and I'll say you know sometimes when I

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say something like that you know I can

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see eyes glazing over people don't

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understand it seems kind of non-sequitur

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to my role that I would make such a

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statement I am after all the principal

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investigators and so you know when I say

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um I don't presume entitlement to the

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data uh collected during the nits and

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bass era it's because I entertain at

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least uh the possibility that there may

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be in fact a very good reason even a

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virtuous reason and one that I would

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support for the non-disclosure of the

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things that were netted during the

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during the time of of that previous set

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of Investigations it's possible

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um and so I I you know I approached this

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with a with

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um not a sense of entitlement certainly

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a sense of very intense curiosity and

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reverence

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but you've also gone in with a work

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ethic to go and find those answers and

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put in the work and you know you're

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you're in this command center right now

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as we do this

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um I just want to ask again before we

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start to look at the the time at your

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time on the ranch you mentioned your

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first visit was eventful was your first

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visit the first time you had an

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experience with anything on the ranch

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and is that something you can discuss uh

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yeah certainly I can

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um and please jump in and interrupt me

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if I'm diving too deeply into the

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details because it's all very Vivid in

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my mind

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um you know I remember coming out with

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uh some individuals whom we might

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identify as VIPs

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um

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I certainly didn't count myself among

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them

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um I I came as as an observer determined

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to be as unobtrusive uh you know I

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remember my thoughts at the gate just as

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we as we paused before we uh passed

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through the gate were

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um to just still myself on the inside

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pay attention to anything that I might

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be picking up on given uh what I had

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been told about the ranch and about it's

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it's uh influence on some individuals uh

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previously some things that we might

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sense

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um and I remember you know considering

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whether or not I should actually go

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through the gate and whether I should uh

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enter the property I was fully prepared

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on that very first day to wait outside

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uh for for the others to go inside and

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and I would just linger outside if I had

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to I had my Impressions given me that

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that uh that strong sense but but that

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didn't happen I went inside and of

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course

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um uh just looked around inside of this

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this building where I am now uh of

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course it was in a very different

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condition uh we've done a lot of

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renovation here uh but I saw it in its

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original state walked around through the

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rooms uh and then we went out onto the

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property itself and uh as a group went

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uh to the base of the Mesa uh just to

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the west of where I'm sitting now and

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um one of the very first unusual things

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that I observed was when I separated

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myself from the group I went to the top

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of the Mesa essentially to get a

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photograph or a panorama

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and I noticed that the mobile device

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that I was carrying it was an iPhone 5

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was misbehaving I'd never seen that kind

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of behavior before and uh so I called

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down to the group and I said hey you

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know something's happening with my phone

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here uh is anybody else seeing anything

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like this and you know I was having to

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yell down to this group at the base of

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the Mesa and some of them looked up and

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um shook their heads and so they got

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their phones out reluctantly took a look

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and no one else was seeing anything

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unusual happening with their devices and

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and uh one of the individuals yelled up

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to the top time to get a new phone Eric

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um and so um I didn't I didn't read too

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much into that but boy it was it struck

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me as strange because it was what I

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would describe as a very violent

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disruption of the normal behavior of the

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phone it was very non-responsive and

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interestingly when Brandon heard that

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when he heard my announcement he of

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course was was excited to see what I was

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seeing so he he comes running up the

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side of the Mesa

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um

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wearing his usual attire

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um and uh which is not exactly suitable

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for climbing up the side of a Mesa and

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interestingly just as he got to the top

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of Mesa what I was seeing happen on the

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phone stopped

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and uh and so there was a moment of

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embarrassment for me of course because

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it effectively I just cried wolf or or

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something and and uh someone uh captured

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a photograph of us uh from down at the

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base of the Mesa both staring intently

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as if praying to our phones to see if we

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would uh detect what I had had described

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earlier

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um it never came back while we were on

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top of the Mesa then as we uh descended

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we went as a group out to the to the old

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homesteads which I I assume you're

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familiar with

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um something very interesting happened

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there a second time

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um several of us experienced

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um I guess vertigo would be the best

440
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term for it I remember hopping off of

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the UTV and and feeling like I couldn't

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find level ground no matter how I stood

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or Where I Stood it just wasn't level

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ground and what caught my attention was

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that um

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some of the other visitors to the

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property could be heard speaking with

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each other saying wow did you feel that

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it's as if the ground was spinning just

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now and I thought wow that's unusual

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because I hadn't said anything to them

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so uh

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uh there was something simultaneously

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going on uh with that group and with me

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as the last arrival to that area and I

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of course got the the phone out again to

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take some pictures and again I was

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seeing that same uh behavior and you

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better believe I was I was quick to call

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people over to take a look at it I

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didn't want to cry wolf a second time so

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I did get other eyes on it and I got a

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couple of screenshots it was very

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strange uh the remainder of the day was

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also uh very eventful

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um we had

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um the the sighting that you've probably

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heard Brandon uh describe publicly of

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something darting around uh very

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abruptly irregularly over the Mesa this

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was witnessed by two other individuals

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and I have their uh their testimony and

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remarkably without any without any

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um collaborative effort what they've

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described to me is exactly the same

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thing

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um and of course you may also be aware

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of the fact that we had an individual

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who was

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um medically impacted uh by his time uh

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out at the homesteads uh basically

482
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catatonic lost about uh uh 10 minutes of

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time and then experienced a very severe

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medical episode after he returned to his

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uh original location so a lot of things

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happened on that day and uh sorting that

487
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out looking at a lot of pictures that

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were collected pixel by pixel uh became

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my preoccupation for several weeks

490
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I know that was kind of long but you

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know it's in my mind it's it's perfect

492
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thanks for sharing that and many of

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those types of incidents have been

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repeated over the years when I spoke to

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to Bryant you know Dragon I spoke to

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Thomas Winterton they both mentioned how

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often the cameras themselves filming the

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series would fail because of issues with

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batteries that were fully charged and

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they made the point it's frustrating

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that that's something they can't

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actually film because it's the filming

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equipment itself that fails and has the

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issue so there's something that doesn't

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even make it onto the show because our

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batteries are gone did you charge the

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battery Yep this is a full battery the

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backup's dead as well and they have to

509
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go and sort all that kind of stuff so

510
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it's really common place isn't it it

511
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well it is and and you know I I

512
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absolutely sympathize with those who

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um are tempted to criticize the effort

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as being

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um well at least confusing because of

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the fact that we are able to

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successfully film the series where you

518
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know we do have drone shots we do have

519
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obviously camera and audio work

520
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um and so so some have have asked and

521
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rightly so well if the phenomenology

522
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affects your your technology then why

523
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are you able to even do this and and and

524
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you know there's a word that we use I

525
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think too frequently I'd love to have

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another word

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um but really we have uh what we call a

528
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transient uh phenomenology here it comes

529
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and goes it's fleeting and so many of

530
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these uh events these irregularities

531
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that happen with our equipment both in

532
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front of the camera behind the camera

533
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and inside the camera uh uh come at

534
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unpredictable uh times completely

535
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uncorrelated with uh certainly with our

536
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expectations or any of our experimental

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intentions

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I wonder as a scientist and someone who

539
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is driven by data and facts and

540
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statistics

541
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how much of this phenomenon

542
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have you managed to piece together I

543
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suppose let me ask if you had a 100

544
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piece jigsaw which was the overall

545
00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:10,020
secret to Skinwalker Ranch how many bits

546
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of the jigsaw does Eric have in place

547
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just now

548
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I really like the way you framed that

549
00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:16,559
question and it makes it really hard

550
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because see I don't know I don't know

551
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the size of the puzzle in fact although

552
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:23,160
you've stated it as a 100 piece puzzle

553
00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:25,440
we honestly don't know how many pieces

554
00:20:29,690 --> 00:20:27,900
we're dealing with here so let me let me

555
00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:29,700
approach the question this way you know

556
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:30,840
yeah

557
00:20:33,529 --> 00:20:31,860
you you

558
00:20:35,810 --> 00:20:33,539
cite the fact that I'm a physicist and

559
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:35,820
so of course I bring certain

560
00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:37,740
um proclivities I bring certain

561
00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:40,200
expectations I guess into the picture we

562
00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:42,140
do use the tools and methods of science

563
00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:45,179
uh although I have sometimes protested

564
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,160
and loudly that what we are doing is not

565
00:20:51,770 --> 00:20:49,679
exclusively to be treated as a science

566
00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:51,780
Endeavor it's not a science project

567
00:20:59,690 --> 00:20:55,620
alone but certainly those those tools

568
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:59,700
and methods do serve us well and so

569
00:21:05,029 --> 00:21:02,640
um I've compartmentalized the

570
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,039
um the things that have been shared with

571
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:07,919
us in the in the inherited narrative as

572
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:08,880
well as the things that have been

573
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:10,980
unfolding in the in a time since uh

574
00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,919
since I came on on site

575
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:15,600
um and I said look you know we might be

576
00:21:18,770 --> 00:21:17,280
dealing with with

577
00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:18,780
um

578
00:21:25,370 --> 00:21:21,960
a misunderstanding of what could be just

579
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,380
natural phenomena uh in fact I like to

580
00:21:30,350 --> 00:21:27,120
say Nature's Got Talent

581
00:21:33,409 --> 00:21:30,360
so uh you know we could be looking at

582
00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:33,419
some obscure perhaps very complex

583
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,880
geophysical phenomena playing out or we

584
00:21:39,409 --> 00:21:37,440
could be looking at atmospheric

585
00:21:40,909 --> 00:21:39,419
phenomena or or some interplay between

586
00:21:42,770 --> 00:21:40,919
the two

587
00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:42,780
um and then of course you know that

588
00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:44,520
would be considered one sandbox another

589
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:46,919
sandbox would be that we are in fact

590
00:21:50,510 --> 00:21:48,600
dealing with some of the things that

591
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:50,520
obviously interest you and me as well

592
00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:52,140
and many of your viewers and that is

593
00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:53,640
maybe we're dealing with something

594
00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:57,659
related to off-world uh technology and

595
00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:00,360
entities like the UFOs and and so forth

596
00:22:04,730 --> 00:22:01,980
and then it gets even deeper we talk

597
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,740
about things like inter-dimensionals you

598
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:06,480
know an entirely different class of of

599
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,600
of being and um and then there of course

600
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,760
is the sandbox of

601
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:13,440
um you know that and I don't I don't

602
00:22:16,970 --> 00:22:15,419
really want to dwell in this sandbox too

603
00:22:19,730 --> 00:22:16,980
much but there is the conspiratorial

604
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:19,740
sandbox that says that this is this is

605
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:22,860
us but not us here as the team but the

606
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,840
other Us in other words human beings who

607
00:22:27,950 --> 00:22:26,640
may be doing something of a covert

608
00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:27,960
nature

609
00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,620
um

610
00:22:32,570 --> 00:22:30,780
I don't want to explore that too much

611
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:32,580
but I realize that that is something of

612
00:22:36,590 --> 00:22:34,559
great concern to some of the people who

613
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,600
engage this narrative and so there are

614
00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:38,400
multiple sandboxes as many really as

615
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:39,659
five

616
00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:41,700
um and so I've just decided that as I

617
00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:43,320
collect the data I want to do so with as

618
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:46,020
little bias as possible and to let the

619
00:22:50,090 --> 00:22:48,120
data self-assemble and we'll find out

620
00:22:52,669 --> 00:22:50,100
which sandbox has the most sand in it at

621
00:22:54,409 --> 00:22:52,679
the end of the day and at this time are

622
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:54,419
you still very much looking at it from

623
00:22:58,430 --> 00:22:56,159
that bird's eye view of the sandboxes

624
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:58,440
you've not you're not hanging your hat

625
00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:01,320
on any one idea just yet

626
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:04,380
I think that would be fair to say

627
00:23:09,289 --> 00:23:07,320
um you know there's a there's a really

628
00:23:11,149 --> 00:23:09,299
there's so many interesting topics that

629
00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:11,159
converge at this site as I mentioned in

630
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:13,740
the early going it seems like such an

631
00:23:19,549 --> 00:23:17,520
improbable uh Nexus you know we've got I

632
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:19,559
I've I've joked that it seems like we've

633
00:23:22,850 --> 00:23:20,820
got uh

634
00:23:25,490 --> 00:23:22,860
everything that may have hit the Cutting

635
00:23:27,710 --> 00:23:25,500
Room floor in the making of uh science

636
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:27,720
fiction series like the X-Files you know

637
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:29,100
it just seems like we've got so much

638
00:23:33,529 --> 00:23:30,840
material coming together so improbable

639
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,539
and so of course as a physicist and I

640
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:35,760
think even even those who don't identify

641
00:23:39,409 --> 00:23:37,620
as scientists would would sympathize

642
00:23:41,990 --> 00:23:39,419
with this I'm looking for explanations

643
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,000
that have unifying appeal and what I

644
00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,240
mean by that is those explanations that

645
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:47,580
can account for all of this apparently

646
00:23:53,930 --> 00:23:51,600
disparate uh uh phenomenology how is it

647
00:23:55,669 --> 00:23:53,940
that we get these these orbs and these

648
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:55,679
portals and these UFOs and these

649
00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:59,340
disembodied voices and strange uh

650
00:24:03,070 --> 00:24:01,080
sometimes

651
00:24:06,289 --> 00:24:03,080
um menacing

652
00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:06,299
medical effects on on individuals we

653
00:24:10,190 --> 00:24:08,340
also have uh I would assume you're

654
00:24:11,870 --> 00:24:10,200
familiar with the terminology hitchhiker

655
00:24:13,130 --> 00:24:11,880
effect in other words some of the some

656
00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:13,140
of the phenomenal phenomenology

657
00:24:17,330 --> 00:24:15,960
following members of our team home uh

658
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,340
obviously these are things that interest

659
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:19,620
and concern our audience and probably

660
00:24:23,390 --> 00:24:21,299
yours

661
00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:23,400
um how do we come up with it with an

662
00:24:27,890 --> 00:24:25,380
explanation that that brings this all

663
00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:27,900
under one umbrella and so

664
00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:28,520
um

665
00:24:36,110 --> 00:24:31,140
one of the

666
00:24:39,070 --> 00:24:36,120
maybe I'll call it just an idea one of

667
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:39,080
the ideas that that I have volunteered

668
00:24:43,810 --> 00:24:42,240
incorporates The Observer as a co-causal

669
00:24:46,370 --> 00:24:43,820
agent in other words the observer

670
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:46,380
participates in the generation of the

671
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:48,059
phenomenology I realize that's very

672
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:50,280
speculative but it does have unifying

673
00:24:54,649 --> 00:24:52,200
appeal and it may help to account for

674
00:24:56,390 --> 00:24:54,659
things like the off-site effects

675
00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:56,400
including the the so-called hitchhiker

676
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,659
effect

677
00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:59,580
interesting about like mixing two

678
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:01,799
different chemicals and then keeping one

679
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:03,240
chemical mixing another they're going to

680
00:25:06,110 --> 00:25:04,559
give you different reactions depending

681
00:25:07,730 --> 00:25:06,120
on what's along there

682
00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:07,740
um I've spoken to George Knapp about The

683
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,260
Hitchhiker incidents he said even his

684
00:25:14,210 --> 00:25:12,480
wife has had experiences like that

685
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,220
Thomas Winterton I know I talked about

686
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:17,520
that as well and it's one of the more

687
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,559
spotlighted elements of the UFO

688
00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,059
phenomenon over the last couple of years

689
00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,460
books like skinwalkers at the Pentagon

690
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,200
obviously James lacat's gay come kill

691
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:27,360
her George Napper I've discussed these

692
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:28,799
ideas too

693
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,260
um let me ask you Eric and your time in

694
00:25:35,810 --> 00:25:33,419
the ranch it's now been from the TV

695
00:25:37,730 --> 00:25:35,820
point of view started in April 2020 so

696
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:37,740
we're into our third year fourth season

697
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:39,779
what have been some of your standout

698
00:25:43,549 --> 00:25:42,120
moments I'm just going to be a really

699
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,559
unprofessional and bring the interview

700
00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:46,080
back in now folks and I'm dreading

701
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:47,700
telling you this because as I've just

702
00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:49,380
said to Eric in the pause of the

703
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,580
recording

704
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:52,020
um Eric was in the middle of answering

705
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:54,179
the question I asked him the recording

706
00:25:58,130 --> 00:25:56,340
stopped completely I could hear Eric it

707
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,140
gave me an error message everything shut

708
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,720
down but I can still hear and I've had

709
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,880
to restart the interview however we've

710
00:26:06,230 --> 00:26:04,559
got everything saved well actually I've

711
00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:06,240
not checked that yet it should be saved

712
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,460
from before I imagine it will be given

713
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:10,620
the information I've got but

714
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:12,779
typically and this isn't to advertise

715
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:14,159
Skinwalker Ranch you know starting

716
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,080
Tuesday 18th of April there's been a

717
00:26:20,269 --> 00:26:17,760
little bit of a tech problem going on

718
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,279
there Eric which isn't unusual given

719
00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:22,320
what we've just been talking about

720
00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:23,159
um

721
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:24,900
could have been anything let's just say

722
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,500
that yes I I and I appreciate that

723
00:26:32,029 --> 00:26:30,179
statement you know you're saying exactly

724
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:32,039
what I say in every instance it could be

725
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:33,120
anything

726
00:26:39,110 --> 00:26:36,960
and um if you'd like we can we can go

727
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:39,120
back into that question and I'll I'll be

728
00:26:43,549 --> 00:26:40,799
glad to fill in any gaps that may have

729
00:26:45,409 --> 00:26:43,559
been left by the interruption yeah

730
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:45,419
um I was asking you about um your

731
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:47,159
standout moments you were mentioning

732
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,320
some of the local astronomers who had

733
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:51,419
had visited and then kind of got a bit

734
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:52,860
fuzzy and cut off but if you want to go

735
00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:54,480
from there we'll we'll leave that little

736
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,020
bit in certainly so from uh from among

737
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,000
the events that have been shared uh

738
00:27:04,490 --> 00:27:02,220
specifically within the series

739
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:04,500
um as I was explaining earlier and as I

740
00:27:09,769 --> 00:27:07,980
will rehearse again one of the most

741
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:09,779
um interesting or as you said standout

742
00:27:15,769 --> 00:27:13,260
moments would have to be what took place

743
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:15,779
uh during the astronomy exercise you

744
00:27:20,269 --> 00:27:18,480
know these are uh subject matter experts

745
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:20,279
these astronomers who came on site

746
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:22,919
having among them uh you know in the

747
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:25,380
aggregate Decades of experience of

748
00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:28,860
working with uh telescopes computer

749
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:32,940
driven telescopes that contain a closed

750
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:36,480
system star catalog uh computer that

751
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:39,000
drives those instruments

752
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:40,679
um and when I say closed system I'm

753
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:42,960
referring to uh the fact that the

754
00:27:47,950 --> 00:27:45,659
computers don't have uh for example a

755
00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:47,960
Wi-Fi Bluetooth or ethernet connection

756
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:52,260
and we saw uh what we all uh interpret

757
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:56,340
as interference direct as if volitional

758
00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,760
interference with the um

759
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,640
with the contents of that of that closed

760
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,740
system star catalog

761
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:07,200
um to to rehearse for those who may not

762
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,000
be familiar with what we were up to we

763
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:12,240
were interested in observing uh possible

764
00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:15,539
changes in Starlight as selected or

765
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:18,659
pre-selected Stars uh would Traverse a

766
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,700
region of the sky as seen from the

767
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:22,860
helipad here uh near the command center

768
00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:25,380
there's a region in the sky to which we

769
00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:29,400
have given the name the anomaly uh and

770
00:28:34,850 --> 00:28:31,980
uh we've had some other exercises that

771
00:28:36,529 --> 00:28:34,860
have played out very strangely uh in the

772
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:36,539
skies above the ranch and so we decided

773
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:39,720
that uh one way of going about the study

774
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:42,360
of that region is to use telescopes and

775
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,760
look for changes uh in the Starlight

776
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,860
perhaps positional changes focusing the

777
00:28:51,169 --> 00:28:48,720
focusing changes of the spectral content

778
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:51,179
anything that might give us a clue into

779
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:53,400
what's happening in that space above the

780
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,080
ranch so we pre-selected the stars and

781
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:57,480
at the time when those stars were

782
00:29:01,789 --> 00:29:00,120
um about to pass through that that

783
00:29:05,049 --> 00:29:01,799
selected region

784
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:05,059
uh it is as if they were

785
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:08,820
individually removed from the Star

786
00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:10,860
catalog which it is classically

787
00:29:14,090 --> 00:29:13,320
impossible as far as we know

788
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:14,100
um

789
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,159
disturbing uh I can only imagine what

790
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:22,140
was going through the mind uh or the

791
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:25,260
minds of our guests the astronomers

792
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:26,880
um I know how I would have felt probably

793
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,919
a bit of embarrassment maybe mild Panic

794
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:30,659
that that my equipment was

795
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,899
malfunctioning look we've all been there

796
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:34,559
um

797
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:38,159
I feel like I'm there all the time yeah

798
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:40,320
and uh and so

799
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:42,779
um we observed that just at those

800
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,940
moments that were really the center

801
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:47,640
point of our intended scientific

802
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:49,440
investigation for that for that evening

803
00:29:54,769 --> 00:29:52,200
those stars were being selectively

804
00:29:58,130 --> 00:29:54,779
removed in a way that we just don't

805
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:58,140
understand and it is very tempting to

806
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:01,320
read volition in other words uh the idea

807
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,640
that we are dealing not just with a

808
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,320
something but a someone a someone

809
00:30:09,649 --> 00:30:06,899
intelligent as has been described to us

810
00:30:11,990 --> 00:30:09,659
uh by those uh who are involved in the

811
00:30:15,169 --> 00:30:12,000
work previously I'm talking about nids

812
00:30:17,090 --> 00:30:15,179
and bass era Personnel uh the phrase

813
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:17,100
that they've used I might as well share

814
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:19,020
it here and now you know there's a

815
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:21,779
phrase a sentient precognitive non-human

816
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,240
intelligence it's quite a mouthful but

817
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:26,340
there is an example in which we

818
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:29,279
undertook to do a I think uh

819
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:33,840
well-defined uh scientific exercise with

820
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,080
a clearly stated uh testable falsifiable

821
00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:39,600
hypothesis and what happened something

822
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:41,340
completely perpendicular to our

823
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:44,100
intentions and it is it is so often the

824
00:30:47,090 --> 00:30:45,600
case here on the ranch I'll share one

825
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:47,100
more with you if we have time for it

826
00:30:52,250 --> 00:30:49,559
Andy please yeah you know I remember

827
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,260
this wasn't uh part of the series but it

828
00:30:59,710 --> 00:30:55,440
was part of of a public-facing uh visit

829
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,720
we had a news crew who came out to do a

830
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:02,159
uh what would

831
00:31:06,590 --> 00:31:04,500
what I assumed would be a very short

832
00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:06,600
piece a visit on the ranch just to

833
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:09,419
familiarize uh you know the the locals

834
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:10,980
here in the state of Utah with what

835
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:12,419
we're up to

836
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,880
um they came out to visit it was a a man

837
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:16,320
and a woman

838
00:31:21,049 --> 00:31:16,980
um

839
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:21,059
and uh they brought with them a drone uh

840
00:31:28,610 --> 00:31:25,080
and a camera of course a a nice a large

841
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,620
camera and some uh of those smaller

842
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,860
um Cube cameras or GoPro cameras as part

843
00:31:35,930 --> 00:31:33,840
of the interview process they they

844
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,940
decided to interview me first

845
00:31:39,470 --> 00:31:37,740
uh they came into this room where I'm

846
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:39,480
sitting now and they were asking about

847
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,100
the history you know and we go through

848
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:44,340
the obligatory uh rehearsal of how I got

849
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,740
involved just as we have here

850
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:49,320
um and then we then we sort of got into

851
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:52,140
the to the meat of of what we're up to

852
00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:53,820
and they were asking about this strange

853
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:56,940
phenomenology and I I began to describe

854
00:32:03,230 --> 00:32:00,840
the uh magnetic aspects of of the

855
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,240
phenomenon as I infer them uh I believe

856
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:05,279
that there is a strong transient High

857
00:32:09,769 --> 00:32:08,340
field high gradient uh uh magnetic

858
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,779
influence that moves through this space

859
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:11,100
here sometimes

860
00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:14,100
and as I began to describe that uh one

861
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:16,140
of the little Cube cameras uh went dead

862
00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:20,399
we were interrupted for uh to deal with

863
00:32:23,810 --> 00:32:22,080
that and they said well that's really

864
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,820
strange it says the battery's dead and

865
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:25,440
we just charge the battery you know you

866
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,240
can probably predict how the course of

867
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,279
this conversation they got a second Cube

868
00:32:32,930 --> 00:32:31,260
camera out and uh and they weren't able

869
00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:32,940
to connect to that I think they were

870
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:34,740
able to conduct the the interview with

871
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:36,960
the big camera but I I had just

872
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:39,179
explained to them that uh there are

873
00:32:43,070 --> 00:32:41,100
technological and even neurological

874
00:32:44,029 --> 00:32:43,080
effects due to

875
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:44,039
um

876
00:32:51,169 --> 00:32:48,899
just described this High field high

877
00:32:52,909 --> 00:32:51,179
gradient transient magnetic field well

878
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,919
interestingly when they wrapped up the

879
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:55,200
interview with me they went out onto the

880
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:58,260
onto the deck behind the command center

881
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,760
um and I was just relieved that the

882
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:01,620
interview was over because I'm not I

883
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,299
guess I'm not the most graceful when it

884
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:04,980
comes to being interviewed I I like to

885
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:06,899
get those over with

886
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:09,360
um and so I was I was relaxing a bit I

887
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:10,679
went to the refrigerator to get a drink

888
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:13,200
looked out the way window and I saw the

889
00:33:20,330 --> 00:33:16,320
the videographer the videographer Megan

890
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,340
was looking uh uh perplexed at her drone

891
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:22,919
controller she had what I call the

892
00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:24,539
inverted happy face

893
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,659
and uh and so I I sensed that something

894
00:33:30,769 --> 00:33:29,100
was up so I poked my head out the door

895
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,779
and of course Brandon's very excited he

896
00:33:35,330 --> 00:33:32,340
always is when something like like

897
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,340
unusual is going up going on and he says

898
00:33:39,769 --> 00:33:37,380
come come take a look at this and so

899
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:39,779
they showed me the controller or the the

900
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,880
display on the controller for the Drone

901
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:43,559
and in fact the message was something to

902
00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:44,820
the effect that I'm paraphrasing

903
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:47,279
excessive magnetic interference detected

904
00:33:53,389 --> 00:33:50,700
uh please relocate uh you know it was

905
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:53,399
the drum was inoperable until that that

906
00:33:55,930 --> 00:33:54,779
issue was dealt with now that was

907
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:55,940
literally

908
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,159
just minutes after having had that

909
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,679
conversation and so

910
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:03,600
um you know when I when I tell people

911
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,200
that I sympathize with the with the view

912
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:09,720
that perhaps we are being surveilled and

913
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,940
that there is a someone-ness to the

914
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,399
phenomenology these are examples of why

915
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,800
I say that

916
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,960
now let me ask as we start to kind of

917
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,820
wrap up a little bit on the Skinwalker

918
00:34:23,570 --> 00:34:22,200
Ranch discussion I want to take it

919
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:23,580
slightly outside of that for the last

920
00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,919
part of the interview if money was no

921
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:27,960
object and Brandon funding this

922
00:34:31,250 --> 00:34:29,639
operation has been very generous I'm

923
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,260
sure he would say so himself and and

924
00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:33,179
everyone else has to be fair

925
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:35,460
um if Money Was No Object how would you

926
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,980
take the investigation forward say the

927
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:39,960
History Channel come and say Eric season

928
00:34:44,750 --> 00:34:42,179
five it's all on you here's the budget

929
00:34:46,490 --> 00:34:44,760
it's 500 million dollars what are you

930
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:46,500
doing with that money oh my goodness

931
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,419
well I'm concerned that if I answer that

932
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:49,919
question it might be preemptive of

933
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,520
things that you are learning to do

934
00:34:58,430 --> 00:34:55,740
um gosh I have to tread lightly uh there

935
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:58,440
is a concept that I've shared

936
00:35:06,050 --> 00:35:03,770
I think I can say this I I hope that I'm

937
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,060
I hope that I'm not out of line uh when

938
00:35:12,290 --> 00:35:08,880
I describe this I I have shared this in

939
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:12,300
in other venues it is a a distributed

940
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:15,900
detector array it is a concept that I

941
00:35:24,050 --> 00:35:20,880
um came up with uh back in 2017 really

942
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:24,060
uh and the idea I know is something that

943
00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:25,740
will that will resonate with lots of

944
00:35:31,730 --> 00:35:28,920
folks who um who follow the physics or

945
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,740
who share the mindset of a physicist

946
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:33,420
um you know we have these localized

947
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:35,579
effects we have certain areas on the

948
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,280
ranch that are notorious for high

949
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:40,020
strangeness and for interference with

950
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:42,180
devices and so forth and there is this

951
00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:44,460
speculation that we might be looking at

952
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:47,820
effects generated by some sort of gr or

953
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:50,700
general relativistic generating

954
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:51,780
um

955
00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,839
device or even craft you know what we

956
00:36:00,170 --> 00:35:57,119
are talking about potentially uaps or

957
00:36:04,430 --> 00:36:00,180
UFOs so imagine something that that

958
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:04,440
distorts uh what we call space time

959
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:07,260
um you know perhaps uh if we have a grid

960
00:36:11,870 --> 00:36:10,140
of detectors across the property and

961
00:36:14,089 --> 00:36:11,880
this would be a very expensive and

962
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,099
complex thing to pull off

963
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,320
but if you imagine uh you know a

964
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:18,720
Cartesian grid of the of of of a

965
00:36:23,569 --> 00:36:21,119
multi-sensor packages

966
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,579
um not communicating with each other but

967
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,320
independently registering local

968
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:28,079
conditions electric field magnetic field

969
00:36:33,470 --> 00:36:31,260
uh infrasonic uh seismic

970
00:36:36,770 --> 00:36:33,480
um you know anything that that we might

971
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:36,780
uh consider in scope including

972
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:40,320
GPS measurements uh and I'll explain why

973
00:36:46,250 --> 00:36:42,599
that's that's relevant here

974
00:36:48,589 --> 00:36:46,260
um what we might see is what what we

975
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,599
should expect to be uh uncorrelated

976
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:50,880
effects suddenly becoming correlated in

977
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:52,740
other words effects moving coherently

978
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:55,619
across the property uh moving around as

979
00:37:02,450 --> 00:36:59,400
if to to Bear out the presence of

980
00:37:05,450 --> 00:37:02,460
something moving through our space now I

981
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:05,460
mentioned GPS why GPS well you know we

982
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:07,800
have devices down here at or near ground

983
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,740
level that receive signals from what we

984
00:37:14,329 --> 00:37:12,720
call Middle Earth orbit you know it's

985
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:14,339
not geosynchronous orbit and it's not

986
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:15,839
low earth orbit but it's you know

987
00:37:20,089 --> 00:37:18,240
somewhere in between and those signals

988
00:37:23,569 --> 00:37:20,099
that are sent by the GPS you know

989
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:23,579
generally GPS glonass Beto

990
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:25,560
um those those satellites are

991
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,140
broadcasting uh signals down to our

992
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,240
sensors and the timing on those the

993
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,119
arrival time of those signals is in fact

994
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:36,119
what enables the uh measurement of

995
00:37:40,010 --> 00:37:36,839
position

996
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:40,020
and so if we have a GPS sensor down at

997
00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:42,900
or near ground level and we ask the

998
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:44,520
sensor where are you where are you

999
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:46,260
continue to do this over and over and

1000
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:47,940
over as rapidly as we can in data log

1001
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,680
the answers that we receive if we

1002
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:51,119
suddenly see a perturbation in that

1003
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:52,440
position

1004
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:54,839
uh not just in one but in many of those

1005
00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,420
uh devices in that grid that I've just

1006
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:00,480
described it might in fact bear out the

1007
00:38:06,589 --> 00:38:04,200
movement of some something with spatial

1008
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,599
extent going across the property so

1009
00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:08,400
that's the concept so you asked me if

1010
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:10,079
Money Was No Object I would certainly

1011
00:38:15,470 --> 00:38:13,800
put that high on my list of of projects

1012
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:15,480
that I would engage I would create what

1013
00:38:20,510 --> 00:38:17,220
I call my light Garden

1014
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,520
that the multi-sensor array so I'm I'm

1015
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:22,500
not a scientist or are that intelligent

1016
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:24,180
but it makes me think a little bit like

1017
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:26,760
if someone was skipping a stone across a

1018
00:38:30,849 --> 00:38:28,920
pond and each time the stone hits the

1019
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,859
water it creates that kind of you know

1020
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,359
expansion and you could measure the

1021
00:38:36,349 --> 00:38:35,040
stone going across the water each time

1022
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:36,359
it hits

1023
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,079
Andy that is that is a brilliant analogy

1024
00:38:44,270 --> 00:38:42,420
in fact I wish I'd made it and I'm not

1025
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,280
saying that to ingratiate myself that is

1026
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:46,440
exactly the kind of thing that we'd be

1027
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,599
looking for in fact I've done some

1028
00:38:53,210 --> 00:38:50,640
simulations you you see a rendering of

1029
00:38:56,690 --> 00:38:53,220
the ranch behind me uh in one form I've

1030
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:56,700
done uh some uh hypothetical models of

1031
00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,040
wave propagation and reflection off of

1032
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,200
the Mesa itself you know looking at

1033
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,839
exactly that kind of thing so don't sell

1034
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,520
yourself short

1035
00:39:09,890 --> 00:39:08,160
not interesting I'll thanks good answer

1036
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,900
yeah I like that

1037
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:11,700
um what are some of your views on the

1038
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,099
current progress of the UAP conversation

1039
00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:16,560
going on in congress with the potential

1040
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:19,500
for for UFO hearings being on the

1041
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,380
horizon you know I I'm encouraged that

1042
00:39:25,849 --> 00:39:24,780
those that those uh hearings are taking

1043
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:25,859
place

1044
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:26,700
um

1045
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:28,020
look

1046
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:28,680
um

1047
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:32,579
my expectations have been

1048
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:33,240
um

1049
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:36,440
fairly low just because of the history

1050
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:39,540
uh I I'm not a cynic but I just don't I

1051
00:39:44,930 --> 00:39:42,540
don't expect much to come from those uh

1052
00:39:46,490 --> 00:39:44,940
or I'll say prior to the current ERA I

1053
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:46,500
haven't expected much to come of those

1054
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:47,940
hearings

1055
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:51,300
um but having visited uh with uh members

1056
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,380
of the the Senate intelligence uh

1057
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:57,839
committee um

1058
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:01,079
um and having briefed them on uh on the

1059
00:40:05,810 --> 00:40:03,780
early stages of our work here and having

1060
00:40:07,970 --> 00:40:05,820
seen how receptive and interested they

1061
00:40:09,890 --> 00:40:07,980
were in what we had to share

1062
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:09,900
um I I would say that I have

1063
00:40:14,510 --> 00:40:12,660
um higher hopes uh that we will see

1064
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:14,520
something

1065
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,359
um uh that at least gives us

1066
00:40:23,450 --> 00:40:19,680
greater insight into what we've been

1067
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,460
seeing in our skies for Generations now

1068
00:40:28,010 --> 00:40:26,400
and I wonder regarding the the data that

1069
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,020
you collect this was uh one of the

1070
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:29,520
listener questions I've tried to fire

1071
00:40:32,089 --> 00:40:31,020
some of these into the body of the

1072
00:40:34,609 --> 00:40:32,099
interview

1073
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:34,619
um you've obviously you have a situation

1074
00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:36,240
where it's an ongoing scientific

1075
00:40:40,550 --> 00:40:37,800
Endeavor but like you say not

1076
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:40,560
exclusively you've got a TV show that's

1077
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,599
being filmed and made as well so there's

1078
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:45,660
a whole lot of moving Parts but as we

1079
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,060
talk now in 2023 there are quite a lot

1080
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:50,640
of uh other groups popping up for

1081
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:53,339
example the Galileo project uapx and and

1082
00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:57,180
others is there any attempt or plans

1083
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,880
where you could potentially share data

1084
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:02,400
with these groups or get data from these

1085
00:41:05,630 --> 00:41:03,900
groups to connect Aid your own

1086
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:05,640
investigations

1087
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:09,240
I I I I think so I absolutely think so

1088
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:12,359
um we're very open to that I know that

1089
00:41:19,310 --> 00:41:15,900
Brandon has been uh personally in

1090
00:41:21,770 --> 00:41:19,320
contact with uh the principles for the

1091
00:41:24,890 --> 00:41:21,780
Galileo project that you mentioned

1092
00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:24,900
um he had some very positive initial

1093
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:26,700
impressions of his meetings with with

1094
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,320
those who are involved

1095
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:30,119
um I have personally met with members of

1096
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:32,880
uapx fine gentlemen

1097
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:35,880
um you know there are

1098
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,920
um obviously very different approaches

1099
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:40,200
to the same problem set and I think we

1100
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,680
need that uh you know we have different

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00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:45,240
people with different skill sets and

1102
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:47,579
backgrounds and and frankly different uh

1103
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:50,460
funding models uh

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00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:53,280
and so I I suppose as we aggregate the

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00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,220
things that we learn here at the ranch

1106
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:58,560
with things learned elsewhere

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00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,900
um and things uh coming out of other

1108
00:42:04,310 --> 00:42:02,520
investigations there's a very good

1109
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,320
chance that that when we put these

1110
00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:06,300
things together you know as the saying

1111
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,800
goes

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00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:10,020
um the whole will be greater than the

1113
00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:11,880
sum of its parts

1114
00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:13,740
and just to round off Eric what can

1115
00:42:17,450 --> 00:42:15,420
people look forward to in the upcoming

1116
00:42:19,069 --> 00:42:17,460
season of The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch

1117
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,079
oh now you're trying to get me in

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00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,200
trouble

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00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:23,460
non-spoiler non-spoiler version no

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00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:27,480
spoilers I have to tell you you know um

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00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,960
I have not watched the series for a

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00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:33,119
number of reasons uh you know I've it's

1123
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,180
in good hands you know we we uh have

1124
00:42:40,730 --> 00:42:38,700
during the first four or sorry the first

1125
00:42:43,609 --> 00:42:40,740
three seasons you know the material was

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00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:43,619
shot and uh you know I haven't watched

1127
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,980
uh the results uh unless with with rare

1128
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:48,540
exception I've seen it I've seen parts

1129
00:42:52,370 --> 00:42:50,820
of various episodes you know when my arm

1130
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:52,380
is Twisted behind my back I'll sit

1131
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:54,180
through it and I'll I'll watch myself in

1132
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:55,380
cringe

1133
00:43:00,349 --> 00:42:58,260
um but uh you know it's just I guess it

1134
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,359
goes with the territory but um you know

1135
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:02,880
I've refrained from watching it with the

1136
00:43:06,589 --> 00:43:04,380
argument being you know hey I've lived

1137
00:43:08,089 --> 00:43:06,599
it once and once is enough this year

1138
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:08,099
I've taken a different approach I've

1139
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,920
taken the opportunity to look at some of

1140
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,599
the rough cut material

1141
00:43:18,829 --> 00:43:15,359
and I have to tell you

1142
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:18,839
um it is chilling to me as as a

1143
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,760
participant in that work and I can only

1144
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:22,319
imagine you know I have to say I have

1145
00:43:25,790 --> 00:43:23,640
mixed feelings about what's going to

1146
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:25,800
happen I know how this is going to

1147
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,240
strike people

1148
00:43:32,990 --> 00:43:29,520
um I know there are going to be some

1149
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,450
they're going to be some very uh

1150
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:37,440
important questions uh they're going to

1151
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:39,540
be some very acute

1152
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:43,020
um scrutiny and I don't know how to I I

1153
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:44,760
don't know how to prepare for it other

1154
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:47,579
than to say you know if we can engage uh

1155
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:50,819
in a spirit of a collaborative Spirit

1156
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:52,619
um you know I think we can get through

1157
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:53,700
this

1158
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:54,839
um

1159
00:43:58,970 --> 00:43:57,540
this set of very unusual results that

1160
00:44:02,170 --> 00:43:58,980
are about to be shared

1161
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:02,180
and hopefully with uh with with

1162
00:44:07,130 --> 00:44:04,500
insights that are enabling and not just

1163
00:44:10,190 --> 00:44:07,140
confusing but all but I have to tell you

1164
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:10,200
the material is chilling

1165
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:12,300
um I hit a Brandon jokes he said you

1166
00:44:16,430 --> 00:44:14,220
know I I won't be surprised if some

1167
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:16,440
people require therapy after watching

1168
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:18,060
some of it now

1169
00:44:22,609 --> 00:44:20,220
um I don't know if it's if it's if it's

1170
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:22,619
that if it's that of that nature but I

1171
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:24,900
can tell you that looking at how some of

1172
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:27,839
the material has been put together uh in

1173
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:29,520
the framework of uh you know the

1174
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:30,780
episodes

1175
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:33,359
and we're talking about uh I think the

1176
00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:35,339
back of the envelope calculation was

1177
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:36,920
we're talking about

1178
00:44:42,770 --> 00:44:40,140
0.87 of the material that is actually

1179
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:42,780
filmed makes it into the Final Cut but

1180
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,680
the stuff that I've seen tells a uh a

1181
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:50,160
very complicated very complex and and in

1182
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,619
some cases compelling story

1183
00:44:56,569 --> 00:44:54,960
well I truly mean it when I say that you

1184
00:44:58,190 --> 00:44:56,579
also would have wanted to speak to for

1185
00:45:00,770 --> 00:44:58,200
some time so it's great to finally get

1186
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,780
you on three years into the podcast

1187
00:45:04,370 --> 00:45:02,640
um I'll just mention season premiere of

1188
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,380
The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch is on

1189
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:06,960
History Tuesday 18th April 10 p.m

1190
00:45:11,870 --> 00:45:09,540
Eastern 9 pm Central do not miss it and

1191
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:11,880
then for the UK folks sorry but it tends

1192
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,079
to come on a bit later in the year

1193
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,319
normally around August time we tend to

1194
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:18,000
have it Landing but as and when we get

1195
00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:19,920
dates for that I can certainly let you

1196
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,780
know Eric thank you very much for your

1197
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,220
time and it was a pleasure talking to

1198
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,220
you it's a pleasure Andy thank you that

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is all for this week's show thank you

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consider your

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